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Orthopaedic Surgery Information and Interviews

Interview #1
Conducted by 2001-02 Division Coordinator, Richard Parks (Univ of Kentucky)

John P. Lubicky, M.D., Chief of Staff, Shriners Hospitals for Children-Chicago
University Affiliations:
Professor of Orthopaedic Surgery, Rush Medical College, Chicago
Lecturer in Orthopaedic Surgery, Loyola University School of Medicine, Chicago
Hospital Affiliations:
Shriners Hospitals for Children-Chicago
Rush-Presbyterian-St. Luke's Medical Center, Chicago
Biography:
St. Joseph's University, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, Undergraduate
Jefferson Medical College, Thomas Jefferson University, M.D.
Medical College of Virginia Hospitals, Surgery Internship
Medical College of Virginia Hospitals, Surgery and Orthopaedic Surgery Residencies
Shriners Hospitals for Children-Chicago, Pediatric Orthopaedic Surgery Fellowship
Chicago Spine Fellowship, Spine Surgery Fellowship
Special Interests:
Pediatric Orthopaedic Surgery, Spinal Surgery

What attracted you to Orthopaedic surgery?
I was attracted to Orthopaedic Surgery because of the interesting biological and mechanical aspects of the specialty. Additionally, I like the rapid and dramatic results of orthopaedic surgical treatment for various conditions that patients present.

Why did you choose Orthopaedic surgery? When did you start to think about this choice? (during your basic science years/clinical years/extracurricular activities)
I chose Orthopaedic Surgery for the reasons stated in Question 1, and also because of personal influence of a couple of young orthopaedic surgeons to whom I was exposed while I worked as an orderly and O.R. technician going through college and medical school. Because of them I started to think about Orthopaedic Surgery as a specialty, even when I was in Pre-Med, and through my medical school years.

Throughout your training, what has been the hardest thing to deal with?
The hardest thing to deal with during training and subsequent years of practice has been to maintain and expand my knowledge base, that is, to keep current. Because of the pressures of practice, family and other things, it's difficult to read as much as I should and to really take the time to let things soak in. This is remedied to some extent by going to various orthopaedic meetings, but even with that, it's often difficult to really keep up with everything that's going on in Orthopaedic Surgery. I believe this is a difficult thing for everyone and in all specialties as we get further and further from our training.

How would you classify the competitiveness of obtaining one of the Orthopaedic surgery residency positions?
There is great competitiveness to obtain an Orthopaedic Surgery residency position. Right now the cream of the crop of graduating medical students get into Orthopaedic Surgery, and in the programs with which I am affiliated now, practically all the candidates are AOA and are in the upper tenth or so of their medical school classes. It is unlikely that more residency spots will be created in Orthopaedic Surgery nationwide, so the number of slots available will be stable for a while, and for that reason the competitiveness will remain high.

How would you classify the competitiveness of obtaining one of the Orthopaedic surgery fellowship positions?
Competitiveness among fellowship positions depends on the subspecialty. Subspecialties such as Pediatric Orthopaedics do not generate a lot of interest, and less than half of the available slots were filled last year. For this reason, the Matching Program for Pediatric Orthopaedic Surgery has been disbanded because there is no real reason to have it, since the competition is not very high. However, other subspecialties like Sports Medicine, Spine Surgery and Hand Surgery remain very popular, and therefore much more competitive. The competition is especially keen for some of the premier fellowship programs in the various subspecialties.

Do you have any suggestions (exposure) or advice for pre-medical and medical students considering a career in Orthopaedic surgery?
I do not have any specific recommendations or advice for pre-medical or medical students considering a career in Orthopaedic Surgery except that they should try to learn other things to complement and round out their interest in Orthopaedic Surgery. For instance, those going into Orthopaedic Surgery should have some exposure to rheumatology, since many patients present with arthritic syndromes. Additionally, a good grounding in internal medicine for those who will do adult orthopaedic surgery, and pediatrics for those who will go into pediatric orthopaedics would be helpful in terms of looking at the entire patients. So when elective time comes up, it should not be spent entirely in electives in Orthopaedic Surgery, but in other things that may expand or complement knowledge that would be helpful later on.

Do you have any particular memories from your residency/fellowship/training that you would like to share?
I guess the main memories that I have about residency training were the fact that the residents in my program were quite close, we did a number of things socially together, and we really worked as a team and got along well for the most part. The other thing is that we had tremendous responsibility for caring for the patients, not only in terms of their pre- and post-operative care, but also the surgery itself, since in my program the residents had quite a bit of independence and we often operated without any attending supervision, not that that was necessarily good all the time, but it did make one mature pretty early in the program. With regard to my fellowships, the best memories are those of meeting very famous people in the fields, being of course introduced by my bosses at the time. The other more specific good memory was the fact that my Spine Surgery fellowship director took me on a two-week trip to Europe to visit the various scoliosis centers. That has been one of the most memorable experiences of my life.

What would you say is the most common medical condition seen by Orthopaedic surgery today?
As far as the most common conditions seen by Orthopaedic Surgery today, it still must remain the area of orthopaedic trauma, that is, fractures and dislocations. However, coming in close behind are arthritic conditions, particularly the hip and knee, and various sports medicine injuries.

What would you say is the most challenging problem or aspect in/of Orthopaedic surgery today?
I think the most challenging problem in Orthopaedic Surgery today is to maintain high ethical standards with regard to treatment. There have been many technological advances that allow us to do many different kinds of procedures on patients, and because of the enthusiasm for being able to do that, sometimes the indications for doing the procedures are clouded. Additionally, even though reimbursement is down now, doing procedures is still very lucrative, and there is some economic pressure to do more and more cases, and when that happens frequently the indications are a little lax, and from an ethical point of view we must resist that temptation.

What do you see as the three most important advances in Orthopaedic surgery over the past 10-20 years?
The three most important advances in Orthopaedic Surgery over the last ten or twenty years have been advancements in arthroscopic techniques for many different joints, refinement of total joint replacement prostheses, and gait analysis.

What do you see as the three most important advances in Orthopaedic surgery over the next 10-20 years?
In the next ten to twenty years the advances will be the use of bone morphogenic proteins to aid in bone healing, whether it is for a fusion or for injury or tumor. Secondly, there will be advancements in the elucidation of disease pathogenesis on a molecular and cellular level. Thirdly, there will probably be refinement in performance of minimally invasive surgery in the various subspecialties.

How will Orthopaedic surgery look in 10-20 years and how will the health care system affect it?
Orthopaedic Surgery will be different in the next twenty years. There will probably be more minimally invasive surgery, the use of gene therapy will be introduced to aid with the treatment of various problems, morphogenic protein will be used extensively instead of autogenous bone graft, and there probably will be increased interest and use of cartilage repair techniques to postpone the need for reconstructive surgery for arthritis. The healthcare system will surely undergo some change from what it is now, and HMO's and other forms of managed care will change dramatically because these systems have really not in the long run performed as expected, and there will be needed change in that area.

Throughout your career as an Orthopaedic surgeon, is there a particular case that stands out in your mind?
There have been many sort of memorable cases, particularly those that have had a dramatically positive outcome, that come to mind. One in particular, which I was reminded of again the other day because I saw this patient back in follow-up, was a boy from Haiti who had a chronic osteomyelitis of his left tibia. This boy had the hex put upon him by a witch doctor in Haiti, somehow he developed osteomyelitis in his leg and was treated by the witch doctor with cow dung smeared in the wound, and then there was another period of time in which they strapped a dead chicken to his leg. This boy had a terrible problem with dead infected bone in his tibia, and I operated on him a couple of times to clean this out and treated him with antibiotics as well. He has grown up to be a very strong athletically inclined 14-year-old who was adopted by an American family and lives in Iowa now. He is a star soccer player, his leg is completely healed and he has no evidence of any infection at this point.

The other memorable things in my career are the few deaths that I have had, and their stories remain etched in my mind because those things were so sad and upsetting.

What are some of the most rewarding aspects of Orthopaedic surgery?
The most rewarding aspects of Orthopaedic Surgery have to do with restoring function to those who have orthopaedic conditions. Oftentimes the results are pretty dramatic and nearly immediate, and that is quite satisfying. But those of us in pediatric orthopaedics follow our patients for many years, and it's gratifying to see these children who have had some potentially crippling problem as infants and young children grow up to be really pretty normal, or at least have reasonable function to get along with their lives and become vital and productive members of our communities.

How long is the training process and is research an integral part of your training?
The training process in Orthopaedic Surgery kind of depends on what a person wants to do. Many residents simply finish their residency program and go on to private practice and do general Orthopaedic Surgery. General Orthopaedic Surgery provides the ability to treat patients of all ages with all sorts of different problems, and can be done very nicely and competently in small towns with small hospitals as long as they are equipped properly. However, many residents take fellowships to develop expertise in a certain area. They still may practice general Orthopaedics as well as the subspecialty, but fellowship training in a specific area does help to develop special skills, not only to provide to the patients but also as a marketing tool to increase their practice volume. Ordinarily now, to have a career in academic Orthopaedic Surgery a fellowship is required. With regard to research, it's probably a good idea to be exposed to research methodology as a resident, so that that kind of skill is mastered before finishing a training program. However, in most Orthopaedic Surgery programs, research, particularly basic science research, is not really required, and even most academic orthopaedic surgeons are not involved in basic research, but certainly would be involved in clinical research.

What are your hobbies outside of work and how do you balance your hectic work schedule and family?
My hobbies outside of work have been reading and outdoor work around the house that has been sort of therapy to counterbalance the heavy workload. Certain types of orthopaedic practice like mine demand a lot of time and energy, and this has taken a negative toll on my family life, because it has been very hard to balance those needs, and my advice to those entering the field now is that there absolutely has to be a balance between work and home life so that both things can be maintained in a healthy environment.

How would you summarize Orthopaedic surgery in one word, phrase, or sentence?
It's difficult to summarize Orthopaedic Surgery in one word or phrase, but I would say that Orthopaedic Surgery is a very interesting, challenging and labor intensive specialty that gives tremendous professional satisfaction, while at the same time provides care for people that results in often dramatically improved symptoms and function.

What are the advantages/disadvantages of doing year-long fellowships?
The advantages of fellowships are increased knowledge base, improved surgical and clinical skills, achievement of a skill that is marketable for business purposes and the practice, the ability to do at least some clinical research in a high volume situation, and the experience of meeting through one's fellowship director many famous people in the field. The disadvantages of the fellowship are that it requires another year of training with relatively low remuneration compared to being in practice, and that's about it for the disadvantages.

What are some of the advantages/disadvantages of private versus academic practice?
The advantages of private practice are that, assuming that the surgeon has a busy practice, he or she can regulate work hours and be able to balance home life and professional life better. In many areas where managed care has not penetrated very well, private practice would certainly provide a much better income than academic practice. In order to make one's life easy in private practice, a nurse practitioner or physician's assistant would probably be required to help with the daily work, but these people have been shown to work out very well for individual surgeons. The disadvantages are that exposure to residents, to critical thinking about problems in Orthopaedic Surgery, is not readily available on a day-to-day basis, and certainly if one is in private practice in a small town not anywhere near a medical school or a training program, there is a certain amount of professional isolation except for perhaps one's partners. The advantage of academic medicine is the exposure to the residents, the increased ability to do some kind of research, generally speaking a significant patient base which provides many interesting and challenging cases, and the prestige of being on a faculty. The disadvantages are all the academic activities that are required, and generally speaking the salaries have been less than those for private practice.

Can you describe your normal daily/weekly/monthly work schedule to me?
My weekly schedule includes conferences every day of the week with the residents starting at about 6:45 AM. On Mondays I generally do surgery in the mornings and see patients in the office in the afternoon. Tuesdays after conference is spent entirely in the operating room. Wednesdays are office days; two morning a month I see myelomeningocele patients, and the rest of the time I see other patients. Thursday is a full operating day. On Fridays I generally operate in the morning and have office hours in the afternoon. This schedule differs for the fifth and third Fridays of the month, on which I just do surgery, and on the fifth Wednesday of the month, when I do surgery. Interspersed in those time slots are requirements to attend various meetings at the hospital, and the schedule generally does not allow for paperwork, academic interests and administrative duties to take place during the regular work day, so that's done after hours and on weekends.

What sets Orthopaedic surgery apart from other surgery specialties?
Orthopaedic Surgery is set apart from other surgical specialties in many ways because of its instrumentation focused kind of activity, and by its very nature seems to be a more academic pursuit than many of the other specialties.

If you could change anything about your Orthopaedic training, what would it be?
At this point, I don't think there would be much that I would change about Orthopaedic Surgery training in a program that provides a good balanced experience. By that I mean I think that the exposure in that sort of program is great, and that there would be little in the way to improve on something like that. However, the way we practice medicine now with same-day admissions and very busy clinical services in the teaching hospitals, the residents don't get a lot of teaching time with their attendings, nor do they learn as well as they should certain basic skills like physical examination and patient evaluation that was present years ago when patients were hospitalized longer.

What do you consider the most important thing to look for in a residency program?
The most important thing to look for in a residency program is a balanced experience in all of the aspects of Orthopaedic Surgery. Other things that are important are high volume of patients so that the experience is full, dedicated faculty, and finally the opportunity to do some clinical research.

What sets one residency program apart from another?
The things I mentioned in above are the things that set one residency program apart from another. It's not always the program that has all the famous people in it that is the best, although it certainly can be. The best programs are those in which the faculty pays attention to the residents in terms of providing teaching to them and an interest in their careers and personal lives.

Interview #2
Conducted by 2001-02 Division Coordinator, Richard Parks (Univ of Kentucky)

Harry B. Skinner M.D., Ph.D., Professor & Chairman, University of California Irvine Medical Center
University Affiliation:
University of California, Irvine
Hospital Affiliation:
University of California Irvine Medical Center
Biography:
B.S. in Ceramic Engineering from Alfred University in New York
M.S., Ph.D. in Engineering Science from University of California, Berkeley
M.D. from Medical University of South Carolina, Charleston
Completed Orthopaedic Surgery Residency at University of California, Davis Medical Center and Affiliated Hospitals

What attracted you to Orthopaedic surgery?
I was attracted to orthopaedic surgery because of the mechanical aspects of the specialty and because I had done orthopaedic surgery related research prior to going to medical school. I had done some research in biomedical engineering and that prompted me to work with orthopaedic surgeons.

Why did you choose Orthopaedic surgery? When did you start to think about this choice? (during your basic science years/clinical years/extracurricular activities)
Orthopaedic surgery was a natural selection for me because of my engineering background, but I entered medical school with an open mind. When I started through the clinical rotations it became very clear that I was most compatible with orthopaedic surgery. I found on my first rotation in medicine that I didn't think like an internal medicine doctor. In surgery I was very happy but I felt that it was too fast moving and I felt I needed more time to consider options and treatment, in pediatrics I was simply too tall, obstetrics and gynecology - I didn't hate my mother - I really had no issues to deal with in that topic, and psychiatry I couldn't take the cigarette smoke; in urology, I couldn't tell dirty jokes very well, and it soon became clear that orthopaedics was the choice. It offered all age groups to deal with, a variety of areas of the body to treat, and the patients get well and don't die very often.

Throughout your training, what has been the hardest thing to deal with?
The hardest thing to deal with during the training was call. Initially call seems like a very interesting and exciting phenomenon, but after a while it begins to drag and become tedious and difficult and that call schedule rolled around all too frequently. It is part of the job, however, and part of the training so I took part in it. The worst part about the call was the inefficiency that you had to put up with that tended to make cases go later thus losing more sleep and cases to go longer thus losing more sleep. Partly, these frustrations were due to the inefficiencies of working with other residents (I'm sure I was a nuisance early in my residency training also). But the most significant thing was the hospital inefficiencies.

How would you classify the competitiveness of obtaining one of the Orthopaedic surgery residency positions?
From a competitive viewpoint, I think orthopaedic surgery ranks at or near the top of the desirable programs for post-graduate training. The candidates for orthopaedic surgery are very well qualified with typically high part I board scores and are usually competitive with the other highly sought after residency such as emergency medicine, obstetrics and gynecology and ophthalmology.

It turns out that the number of applicants for orthopaedic surgery spots is only slightly greater than the number of spots. Thus, on average there is an 80% chance that a person will match in orthopaedic surgery and only 20% of the people will not match if you've selected orthopaedics as your only selection. Those people who are ambivalent usually don't have the applications of the same quality and therefore don't get ranked as high or they express that ambivalence during interviews.

How would you classify the competitiveness of obtaining one of the Orthopaedic surgery fellowship positions?
The fellowships are highly variable. SOME sports med fellowships are highly competitive, while others are less so. Total joint fellowships tend to be easier to get. Hand and peds are variable. The number of orthopedic tumor fellowships are very limited but not that many people want that area. In summary, it is quite variable.

Do you have any suggestions (exposure) or advice for pre-medical and medical students considering a career in Orthopaedic surgery?
That's easy - there is only one thing that is crucial in that process and that is learning the basic sciences backwards and forwards so that you have the foundation to build the clinical sciences so you understand things rather than memorize things. It is also important for getting an orthopaedic residency program because if you do that you will do well with the part I board scores which are key to getting an interview in a residency.

Do you have any particular memories from your residency/fellowship/training that you would like to share?
My residency was not an exceptionally good residency and that is probably my most significant memory from my residency program. I felt that the quantity of clinical material was lacking in the residency program that I entered. Despite that, however, I have many memories of particular patients and what I learned from those patients. Some of those memories were good and some of them were not so good. None are worth sharing.

What would you say is the most common medical condition seen by Orthopaedic surgery today?
I think the most common medical condition seen by an orthopaedic surgeon today is fracture and this is one of the most rewarding parts of orthopaedic surgery because the fractures occur all the way from newborn to the very elderly, in almost every bone. Each offers a different challenge and a different reward.

What would you say is the most challenging problem or aspect in/of Orthopaedic surgery today?
The most challenging problem or aspect of orthopaedic surgery today is cartilage damage in the young individual. Cartilage damage in the young individual (below 65 years) really doesn't have a solution at the present time. These patients are generally too active for joint replacement but their disease is too crippling to keep them from performing the activities that they'd like to perform. Despite the research on this topic, I think we are still a long way from a solution.

What do you see as the three most important advances in Orthopaedic surgery over the past 10-20 years?
Joint replacement, fracture care and infection control. Joint replacement has blossomed into a major improvement in quality of life for patients who are crippled by arthrosis. Fracture care has become a major area of advance with many new and clever techniques for treating fractures and even more important, getting good results. Infection is a major problem for orthopedic surgeons since there is such a high frequency of putting foreign bodies in the operative area, making the area more susceptible to infection. Surgical technique has improved to help with reducing necrotic material left behind, and more importantly, the orthopod understands the infection process better and what to do with antibiotics to prevent and to treat.

What do you see as the three most important advances in Orthopaedic surgery over the next 10-20 years?
Two of these are refinement of joint replacement with the definition of the best prosthetic designs for individual patients, and minimally invasive orthopaedic surgery. Both of these have been going on for 10 years or so but will really take off in the next 20 years. Cartilage repair techniques will become a viable treatment modality towards the end of the twenty years; It is surprising how slowly a good technology takes to get to the market. I was doing research on porous ingrowth for skeletal attachment in 1971, but it was the mid '80s before this became readily commercially available. So cartilage repair is still a long way off. But the real improvement will be a move away from opioids as the mainstay of post-operative analgesia, with real improvements in the pain patients experience after surgery. This is coming in the next 5-10 yrs as the JCAHO and the media push changes in practice.

How will Orthopaedic surgery look in 10-20 years and how will the health care system affect it?
Orthopaedic surgery will look very similar in 20 years in comparison to how it looks now except that even more of the surgery will done on outpatients, more of it will be done with minimally invasive techniques. Major trauma, much spine surgery and most joint replacement will still be treated on an in-hospital basis. We will probably have blood replacement essentially all autologous for healthy patients.

Throughout your career as an Orthopaedic surgeon, is there a particular case that stands out in your mind?
There are several cases that I remember vividly, but none that bear recounting.

What are some of the most rewarding aspects of Orthopaedic surgery?
Orthopedic surgery is a specialty of intermediate contact with the patient. The global period for surgery and the treatment of most fractures is 90 days and 3-6 months, respectively. It is short and intense, since you see the patient every week or two for this period of time. This gives the orthopod a chance to get to know the patient reasonably well, and establish a bond. This interaction is longer than that of the anesthesiologist or the ER doctor, so you are not simply a mechanic coming in to change a tire and leave. That is a good time period, also since it is not too long. The internist develops a group of patients s/he sees every 4 months forever- so it takes a while to get to know them and the number is limited, since you can only see so many patients. The other aspect is that generally the orthopedic disorders are relatively acute and get well with treatment, so you see the benefits of your work immediately. This is a nice feeling after the years of delayed gratification with medical school training.

How long is the training process and is research an integral part of your training?
The training process is 5 years after med school and is fairly rigid in that the Residency Review Committee specifies the requirements fairly tightly. Those requirements include research. A good percentage of graduating Residents take fellowships, in order to land jobs in highly desirable geographical areas. These are generally 6-12 mo.

What are your hobbies outside of work and how do you balance your hectic work schedule and family?
I like to run, walk on the beach, read and go to movies, theatre etc. Occasional camping with my son. To balance, you have to turn off your beeper or get out of range.

How would you summarize Orthopaedic surgery in one word, phrase, or sentence?
Best part of medicine!

How competitive are various fellowships in Orthopaedic surgery?
Variable.

What are the advantages/disadvantages of doing year-long fellowships?
I have alluded to this above. To be able to do sports medicine procedures in many areas, you need a "union card" to be competitive, even if you learned to do these procedures as a resident, since other orthopods have these credentials. There is only one CAQ (certificate of added qualification) and that is in hand surgery. To specialize in hand surgery, you pretty much have to have the CAQ. Other areas of orthopedics are more open. The disadvantages of a fellowship are the time (5-12 mo) and the move to another city like Cleveland.

What are some of the advantages/disadvantages of private versus academic practice?
Academic practice gives you the challenge of working with residents, the opportunity to be a leader in orthopedics (since the research usually takes place in the academic center), the opportunity to do research, and typically more challenging cases. The private sector offers more control over your office and practice, higher income (usually), and more free time. It is possible, but difficult, to do research in the private sector, and usually you don't have the option of working with residents and med students. The academic practice FORCES you to keep up with advances in medicine and orthopedics.

Can you describe your normal daily/weekly/monthly work schedule to me?
Each week: Three AM private clinics, surgery one day and wherever else it fits in. One resident clinic, 4-6 hours of meetings (hospital medical staff, department meetings, med school meetings) one half day of research, 1 hour per week (average) meeting with med students thinking about orthopedics. Monthly, one trip to somewhere for lecturing, consulting, etc.

What sets Orthopaedic surgery apart from other surgery specialties?
The thing that sets orthopedics apart is that the people who go into ortho are the nicest, most normal people in medicine on average. I very seldom meet an orthopod that I don't like immediately. There are lots of nice people in medicine but the majority of orthopods fall in this category.

If you could change anything about your Orthopaedic training, what would it be?
I assume this refers to the program for which I am the director. I would increase the number of women and I would lengthen the training program. The number of women in orthopedics is VERY low- a few percent, and they add a different dimension to the training and the specialty. The length of the training program is no longer appropriate for the amount of material a resident has to absorb. I think that this is one reason that fellowships are becoming more common. Twenty years ago, there were relatively few residents going to fellowships, and the majority of those were going into academic medicine. Now, spine surgery almost mandates a fellowship because of the attorneys, and other reasons mentioned above. I think that an additional year of required training, which might include a year somewhere else in a "fellowship" would help keep the specialty from being fragmented like general surgery has become, and would improve the quality of the residents who graduate.

What do you consider the most important thing to look for in a residency program? The 2nd, 3rd, 4th?
The most important factor is the people and the tone of the residency. It is 5 yrs long and you have to get along for that period. You are counting on the faculty to be your mentors and you would like to have that be a pleasant relationship rather than an adversarial one. Second, If you want to go into academic medicine, you want a program where you will do some research. Third is location; it is 5 years and some of the call days will be on weekends. Try to get a place where your outside activities will be compatible with the climate on your few days off. Fourth, try to make your wife/ etc happy.

What sets one residency program apart from another?
See above.

   
   
 
 

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